Discussion about this post

User's avatar
Elias Schmied's avatar

I really like this! So underrated.

I was sent this because my two recent posts (https://eliasschmied.substack.com/p/clarifying-the-darwinian-honeymoon?r=7ta4d&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&showWelcomeOnShare=true) relate to it. Our frames are broadly compatible!

One thing that I would say is that this framing understates somewhat how hard making deliberate steering the permanent dominant force is - because the previous forces are not random, you can very sloppily summarize all of them (except maybe the physical ones) as "increasingly sophisticated Darwinian competition". So what the choice transition would really require is controlling all competition, along all dimensions, forever (even self-reflexively in the deliberate steering's own decision processes). Seems hard! (Not necessarily impossible though)

(e.g. it seems like variation and selection may be intrinsic to learning (there's ML literature about this, e.g. the lottery ticket hypothesis) - you have to try things out and find what works - so if there is anything that civilization still wants to "do" or improve at, there is an avenue for blind power-seeking to sneak in.)

No posts

Ready for more?